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That looks to me like a problem with both the tagging and the interpretation of the tag. I have enclosed a screen shot from Google street view that 1. clearly shows an auto using this lane and 2. if a street is labelled as a bus lane, where is it written that people walking cannot cross it??? As the screen shot also clearly shows, there is a zebra crossing on the street that this tag forbids. I just don’t understand this. If the city of Nice puts a pedestrian crossing there, why then is it forbidden by OSM or whoever makes these tags?
And, finally, as I was there only a few days ago, I can confirm that the street view is accurate.
Thanks for you post, nounours. I did it almost like you suggested. I first made a screen shot of Pocket Earth’s list of my maps. This way, when I need to download them again, I will know which ones I had.
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Thanks for the info. After switching to the other view, as Geomagik told me how to do, nothing changed. However, today it seems to have worked. Sometimes (generally, not only with Pocket Earth), I have found that things don’t change immediately, but do the next day.
On the routing, it did not work for me. I had made three pins each with a different number. I have uploaded two screen shots: #1 is the plan without a route, the three grey circles are the steps I must take to reach the goal. #2 is the plan made by Pocket Earth. As you can see, they are quite different. The plan made by Pocket Earth would not work because there is no zebra crossing, no traffic light, but there is a fence preventing people from crossing part of the last part of the plan. I told Pocket Earth to make a route starting a POI #1 and end at POI#3. It ignored POI#2, which is why I suggested the self-routing should work as I wrote.
Hi, I am just back from my holiday. I was very happy to have Pocket Earth with me as it was very helpful in locating areas better than a paper map. We had a map of our holiday apartment location, but without GPS and Pocket Earth, it would have taken much longer to find it (it was in an old village and not all streets had names).
On the point number one: I have tried the setting you mentioned and see no difference. Do I need to restart my iPhone?
On point five: using the route in Nice as an example: the distance is quite short – perhaps 200 meters. Ideally, I would like to set pins, perhaps numbering them 1, 2, 3, etc., then tell Pocket Earth to draw a route from Pin #1 to Pin #5 (last pin) and it would follow the numbers to make a line. You are correct that no server would be needed to do this.
I haven’t used Pocket Earth much for routing since, when I travel, I mostly use public transport or foot. The routing in Nice was complicated because there was not a straight line to walk. There was also very heavy traffic in mid-day when we were there. Using Google Street View, I made a route by just setting pins along the path. Once we were there, it was easy to see the correct path based on my plan. The route from Google Maps and Pocket Earth did not follow the zebra crossing, which was perhaps 30 meters in the opposite direction from the goal.
Yes, I think you are. There are some instances when your method will work. However, there are other instances where it is simply too much work to drag several points around for an almost completely new route. The route in Nice is almost completely wrong. It would be much easier to mark three or four points and then have the app draw the lines connecting them.
Thank you. I hope the styling will be improved for the star buttons. Unlike the movement of the zoom buttons, this is something that I think both new and old users would appreciate having a sharper distinction between the two states.
I tried the zoom buttons. I am right-handed and the buttons on the right feel wrong. I put them on the left and they work better if I use only one hand. You might also offer the additional option of top or bottom, as well as left or right, since that would give users the best chance of finding a position that suited them.
There are a few other things I wanted to discuss and rather than spreading them into separate threads, I’ll put them all here.
- It would be nice if there were a better choice of icons for POI. Some of the icons used by OSM would be welcome.
- If making an existing POI a favourite, there are a few option not available that would be useful, such as editing the address or modifying the colour of the icon. I don’t know if this is possible.
- When looking at all my favourites, I see that many of them are already ‘tagged’ – that is, they show what they are. Could these tags be integrated into the group system you have developed? It would be great to just import the existing tags rather than having to duplicate each one manually.
- I’m not quite sure what to do about this, but many of the ‘nearby’ options are duplicated in the map layer options. The nearby does offer some more options (such as search), but I really wonder if both are needed. I assume the data is the same for both. I don’t have any request or suggestion here, but perhaps the difference (if there is one) between them could be clearer.
- I don’t think I’m the first or only person to suggest this, but I would very much like a routing system that would let me input manually. I could pick points, then the routing would only need to connect them. As I wrote in another thread, I’m going to Nice tomorrow and walking from a bus stop to a train station that is very tricky. As I wrote earlier, I base this on Google Street view which shows no pedestrian crossing in the route that has been chosen for me and also shows this is a very heavily (auto) traffic street, which means even trying to cross without a traffic light or pedestrian crossing would be near suicidal.
Thanks for the explanation. I can understand the motivation, but I fail to see how one form of marking is “simpler” than another form. It seems to me that you need to be able to tell quickly whether a POI has been saved or not. You seem to agree with that by having a slightly different star depending on the status. All I am saying is that the difference between the saved and unsaved could be clearer. Having a different colour would be clearer.
I have also noticed that the zoom buttons (which I probably use more than any other controls) have been moved from the bottom of the map to the top. Since all other controls are on the bottom, I also find that not an improvement.
Having said all this, I am absolutely gobsmacked by how much better the routing has become! Using the same bicycle route from my house to a destination on the other side of the river now works perfectly! The auto vehicle rules are now ignored and the route it gives is very close to the route I have used myself. Very nice indeed.
From what I can see, all my POIs are still there. The problem is what I wrote in the original post. Previously it was quite clear whether a POI was saved or not – the star was coloured making it quite clear that it was saved. Now, the distinction is very small and hard to notice. Frankly, I don’t care what Apple does. I care what Pocket Earth does. I’d suggest to revert to the previous condition. It makes more sense and is much, much easier to see.
I believe so. I can’t find it at the moment. I’m sorry to say I find this a completely useless and pointless change. Previously, it was easy to see what was saved as a favourite. It is no longer so easy to see this. Why “fix” something that was not broken??
I’m using it on an iPhone 5. Perhaps that has something to do with it? It still has worked normally since the update. In fact, I tried it just now.
For me it is working normally. I’ve done a few things with it and have no crashes.
I am opening this topic again since several versions and improvements to Pocket Earth have come in the meantime. I have several maps with a large number of POIs and I would like to remove them from my iPhone for use when I will travel to those countries. What is now the best way to do this (including all the data I have input, of course)?
As to the point made by Nounours last year: you are correct. However, doesn’t Pocket Earth have the feature to check for map updates? Once the map is reloaded on my iPhone, that would be the first thing I did.
To follow up on the post above. I have also tried to make the route on Google maps and get the same result.
However, I still see a problem. The bus I will take has a stop near the corner of Bd. René Cassin and Route de Grenoble (this is all in Nice near the airport). The route has me walk from the bus stop to Route de Grenoble, then cross the street to enter Av. Edouard Grinda, from where I can walk to the train station.
Using Google street view, I see there is no pedestrian crossing from Route de Grenoble to Av. Edouard Grinda.
However, I believe it would be possible by staying on Bd. René Cassin until the opposite side of the underpass, then continuing directly to Av. Edouard Grinda. Well, checking street view again, it is even more complicated because the zebra crossings are not nicely lined up. This means crossing only until half to the opposite side, then turning left, going through the underpass on a small pedestrian island and then crossing on the other end.
If you look at this small area on street view, you will see that there is no simply no way to follow the route either by Google or Pocket Earth. However, I should point out that the street view was recorded in 2011. Yet, I am not optimistic that they have changed the zebra crossings when there is so much heavy auto traffic as shown in street view.
Many thanks. I found the button, as you wrote, and then GPS turned itself on and I got the following message: ‘Error. Exceeded pedestrian maximum gross distance for locations (Max=200.0, Actual=611.7206 miles)’ Miles?
Closing the error box, turning off GPS and trying again did work.
I suspect that like many users, I work on the maps when I am at home (with Wifi) and actually use the maps when I am away. I therefore don’t understand why GPS turns itself on during the creation of a new route since (as I wrote) most people would work on this route at home and not while on a trip.
In December 2015, European mobile ISPs are scheduled to drop roaming charges. That will be great, but I still will keep Pocket Earth on wifi only since I will have a limited data plan and will hopefully have wifi at my hotel. So, even with the end of roaming costs, my modus operandi will probably not change: work on the maps at home, use them when traveling.
In another thread, I said that bicycle routing was a problem and, in case it wasn’t clear, the problem seems to be the interpretation of bicycle movement, not a problem of labelling. Specifically, it seems bicycles seem to be interpreted as autos rather than pedestrians – that is, they follow the rules for autos.
I made an account and tried to fix things, but it seems kind of hopeless to me. For example, the street on which I live is labelled as one-way, but it says bicycles yes. In my country, and I suspect for many other countries in Europe and perhaps other countries as well, bicycles are not required to follow traffic laws. So, this should not be an exception. The exception should be if bicycles are required to follow traffic laws.
For now, the pedestrian route works best for bicycle routing in the city. I went on a bike ride in the countryside the other day and instead of making a route, I just used the bicycle layer and that worked very well. In fact, for even in the city, the bicycle layer works well – the ferry, for example, is listed as a bicycle route, but apparently not in Openstreetmaps.
Thanks to both of you for the comments. I would be willing to help correct the map, but I’m not sure what is involved. What I am about to say involves not Amsterdam, but the entire country as all cities and towns are the same. By default, all streets are shared between autos and bicycles. In fact, the only place where only autos are permitted is high speed motorways. Some have a separate bike path along side the motorway. But all city/town streets are open to bicycles and larger streets (mostly those where public transport runs) have bicycle lanes. The other streets are shared by both, yet bicycles can travel in the “wrong direction”, while autos cannot.
That is, if every street in the entire country needs to be individually coded, I’m not willing to do that. If some sort of automatisation is possible, I could possibly help. To be clear: The bicycle layer in Pocket Earth works quite well for the countryside, so it is mostly the towns and cities that need to be fixed.Bicycling is not a “sport” here, it is a major type of transport. But, anyway, your pedestrian suggestion does work quite well. The route is a bit strange – you go to the ferry by walking through the central train station. It is not actually wrong, but it is rather strange as the station is usually full of people, while there are streets that are almost empty.
Thanks for all your help.But, the most important question for me is will this ever get fixed?As I said above, the problem remains that the route is designed for autos only. It is not only the wrong streets (one direction or not), it is the entire route – avoiding the ferry, for example, because it cannot take autos, although in the preferences, I chose to take ferries.
Willi, I just saved the route as a gpx and this server is giving me the error message “file type not allowed.” But, just briefly, I’ll say as I wrote above, more or less, that though I have chosen bicycle as the transport type, the “bug” is that it is using auto as the transport instead of the bicycle.
Here is an example of a bicycle route planner for my city: http://www.routecraft.com/fietsrouteplanner-amsterdam.htmlUnfortunately, routes cannot be exported to gpx. But you could try a rout there and then with Pocket Earth to see the difference. Try for example, “Herengracht 117” as your start point and “Liergouw en Schellingwouderdijk” as your destination.
